K800 internet using broadband and PAN

speedyandre · 03-04-2007

Hi

On Esato I found that user Wakeelm managed to get his K800 connected to his pc using PAN and use his broadband connection this way

The difference with the Device explorer method is that this is easier to use and you need no additional software when your bluetooth drivers are not obsolete

Here's is his story:

First, setup Bluetooth to work with your phone. You should be using Broadcom (formally Widcomm) software rather than microsoft. Broadcom software is supplied with almost every bluetooth dongle and laptops with built in bluetooth. In my case, I'm using IBM laptop T43 and wedcom 5.0.1 that was preloaded. From "my bluetooth places" add your K800i the normal way. You will find one of the services named "PAN Network Access Point". This you can use to access Internet from your laptop through the mobile internet profile defined in the "Bluetooth Internet" setting under Blue tooth.

This is the first part where you can access Internet from your PC through your phone. Using this service will create the data account that you will need later to access internet the opposite way; from your phone through your PC.

Take a note of the data account created (probably with the name of your computer) that has the bluetooth icon next to it.

Now create an internet profile on you phone using the data account created above. Add here the proxy, user id, and password that are required to access the internet from your PC (if any). Make this profile the default internet profile. Don't forget to make the default for Java as well.

That's all on the phone side. Now go to your PC and open "My bluetooth places". Choose "My bluetooth services" from the bluetooth tasks" menu. You should see now the bluetooth services the PC is offering. Now open the properties for "My network access" service.

Now change the type of service offered to remote devices to "Allow other devices to access the internet/LAN via this computer.

Last step. Configure your computer to allow sharing the internet. You can use the MS wizard to create a home/office network or manually from your internet network connection whether it is Lan or Wifi and allow the newly created "Bluetooth Network" connection to share the internet.

In addition you also can setup the internet connection sharing from the bluetooth drivers of Widcomm, mine is 5.0.1.2500.

Open the bluetooth options by rightclicking the bluetooth symbol in the tray and choose advanced cofiguration.
Under the Local services tab you can find Network access, doubleclick this one.
Check Startup automaticly.
Then on the pulldown menu choose Allow other devices to acces the internet/LAN via this computer.
This will prepare the internet sharing settings and should work fine.
Then click the Configure connection sharing button and wait untill it's ready.
Your LAN connection now has a hand under it showing it's a shared connection.

On my K800 there was a problem when I connected PAN, it seems to be configured as server rather then client and I can't change this

The problem is that your pc has to be the server because it delivers the internet connection, the other way works when you make a PAN connection from your pc, the phone will then act as a modem for your pc.

André

ASNNetworks · 03-04-2007

Well.....how DOES it work then? And by the way, this way you can download stuff too, and update your phone through your phone for free....Cool,,I wonder if anyone has succeeded.....

P.S. I have seen this option on my phone a long time ago, but it didn't work then....maybe I'll have to do it differend....

speedyandre · 03-07-2007

On Esato someone got it working and even the built-in browser of the K800 can use bluetooth now

I think that the update service can too and also the RSS reader and blogging should work this way

André

ASNNetworks · 03-09-2007

I've had a bluetooth server too.....It was a few months ago, I was very excited, but it did't work the way I did, so I thougt it was something differend....Good to know it CAN work...I'll try it someday....

Subatomic · 03-10-2007

Would it be possible to do FOTA using this method?

speedyandre · 03-10-2007

I can't try that because of the little problem with PAN I have with my K800 but I suppose it can because it then simply connects to the internet

André

ASNNetworks · 03-22-2007

Cool... It works... I posted this with my k800...using PAN and broadband

P.s. had to share Lan and not the Bluetooth Network....
But it works...

speedyandre · 03-27-2007

Sharing the lan (the broadband source) or bridging the lan and BT should work.
On my K800 I can't choose a bluetooth data connection (my pc's) because of the provider lock

André

razorous · 04-28-2007

Well if it worked, why cant anybody give a simple instruction on how to do it step by step?

ASNNetworks · 04-30-2007

Check The First Post! That's The Instruction......open Your Eyes.....

ASNNetworks · 04-30-2007

By the way....It doesn't work with K750, only with phones that can be set as a modem, like the k800i....

speedyandre · 07-06-2007

Maybe a shorter tutorial makes things easier to do

Make a PAN connection from your pc's bluetooth 2.0 software (Widcomm, Toshiba, BlueSoleil) to the phone.
Go to the bluetooth settings on the phone and disconnect the existing PAN connection.
Now (or after restarting your phone) you should have a new data account with a $ (bluetooth) symbol in front and the name of your pc.
Make a new internet profile on your phone and choose this new data account as connection, leave the other fields unchanged.
Do the same in the java settings for Opera-mini and other java applets using an internet connection.
The email reader has it's own settings, choose the new data account if you want to use bluetooth.

When you start the standard browser on the phone it will make a bluetooth connection and you'll see the globe. The RSS reader also works well.
On your pc you can open the new PAN network icon in the tray and check the status window, this way you know that you're not using gprs data but bluetooth.

One little disadvantage of PAN is that you need to change the settings back to gprs when you're traveling

André

tnv · 07-07-2007

i don have bluetooth dongle.........can i do it with the usb cable?

speedyandre · 07-08-2007

You can connect using the usb cable (connections/USB) but then your pc will use gprs on our phone for internet

Only with bluetooth you can use broadband of your pc on the phone.
Using SE device explorer and USB I can start Opera-mini from my pc but it doesn't get an internet connection

Also other java applets won't connect this way

André

tnv · 07-09-2007

yea i have tried using device explorer and the USB......but it does not work. i think you need a more upgraded version of device explorer to work it with k810i.

adnane · 07-25-2007

Yes !!!!

It works with my W850i too (after some experimenting) tnx Andre

.

(Features tested: build-in navigator, Track-Id (very impressive btw)), Blogging, email Client (tried Gmail access via pop3), RSS reader All OK !)

ps: I have a prepaid Sim-card without any kind of data subscription (3G will be available only in Dec2007) so this is the first time I can Use Internet from my w850i.

If Anyone need it, I'll try to post a detailed Step by step

(maybe in an other Thread dedicated to w850 ?!! )

Pedrops · 07-25-2007

@ Speedyandre

I can't choose BT Profile too... but there's no provider lock

You mean that I have to access the internet the normal way [from phone to pc] once to get this profile?

To do this, I have to start the PAN service on my PC, and in the k800 >>settings >> connectivity >> Bluetooth >> Bluetooth Internet >> and here select my provider's profile?

And than what?
Access the net with the browser?
Or its supposed to connect when I start the PAN service?
I mean, what do I have to do in order to use the service to create the profile?

In the Blusoleil software there's an option >> My Bluetooth >> Device Properties >> Device Type {desktop // laptop // server}

is there any difference anyway?

I can see there in blusoleil >> status
when I start PAN my phone's role goes to MASTER

Is there something to do?

I'm breaking my head trying this PAN thing
=(

please help!

P.S.
Do I have to set up IP in bluetooth adapter?
Share LAN?

Pedrops · 07-25-2007

Hey Adnane

please tell me how you did it!

I have the same situation... Pre-paid SIM.

I just can't get the BT profile... I don't know waht do I have to do to get this...
[on pc, on my phone.. what?]

And, did you have to share your LAN?
Did you bridged LAN and PAN?
Set any IP anywhere?

By the way, which Bt stack do you have? Widcomm [Broadcomm/Anycomm] or IVT Bluesoleil?
And your BT Dongle?

Man, I really want to make this work

Pedrops · 07-25-2007

Hey, I think I'm almost there

First of all

UPDATE YOUR PHONE SOFTWARE.

I finnaly got an update available from SEUS.
Updated my phone, and guess what, the ****ing BT profile was there.

Its simple as said it was, when you start the PAN service on your bluetooth software , and than check under >>Data Communication >>Data Accounts >> ^^[your PC name]

So now i set the Internet Profile, and Java Profile, bridge LAN and PAN.... and

nothing
=[

My bluetooth software has the option under
>> Work Mode to
-> Set up Bluetooth Personal Area Network with an option to Enable DHCP server

or
-> Access LAN Network with an option LAN Adapter : [Here appears my Enthernet Adapter connection]

*and when bridged LAN+PAN
[appears the bridge connection as selectable]

What do I select?
Set up the PAN with DHCP server or Access LAN thru Ethernet Adapter/or bridge and select here the bridged connection?

If I share the internet connection, it's the PPPoE to share or the LAN? Selecting the bluetooth PAN adapter connection as local connection?

[should I post some print screens?]

adnane · 07-25-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedrops

Hey Adnane

please tell me how you did it!

I have the same situation... Pre-paid SIM.

I just can't get the BT profile... I don't know waht do I have to do to get this...
[on pc, on my phone.. what?]

And, did you have to share your LAN?
Did you bridged LAN and PAN?
Set any IP anywhere?

By the way, which Bt stack do you have? Widcomm [Broadcomm/Anycomm] or IVT Bluesoleil?
And your BT Dongle?

Man, I really want to make this work

Ok let's GO:

first of all here is my config
Win XP SP2
Pentium IV 3ghz / 1G of RAM
256 kps ADSL connection
a very basic BT dongle (unbranded)
WIDCOMM Bluetooth Software Stack 5.0.1.802
A SE W850i Handset with R1GB001 firmware

Setup your PC:
1/add your handset as a BT device normally.
2/

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedyandre

Now go to your PC and open "My bluetooth places". Choose "My bluetooth services" from the bluetooth tasks" menu. You should see now the bluetooth services the PC is offering. Now open the properties for "My network access" service ... Now change the type of service offered to remote devices to "Allow other devices to access the Internet/LAN via this computer

3/Start menu > control panel > network connections > right click on your Internet connection > proprieties > advanced > and here you can share Internet access with the other network users (under firewall settings)
4/Also you can set the "My network access service" starting mode to automatic.

Setup your Handset:
1/ Menu > Settings > Bluetooth > Activate.
2/ Menu > Settings > Bluetooth > My devices > new device > add your PC ( and give it a name of your choice / mine is "Ordinateur").
3/ Menu > Settings > Internet Settings > New profile >

Name : "Test"
Connect using : "Ordinateur" Here the name of you BT device (PC) will be displayed as a data account SO YOU MUST CHOOSE IT

4/ Menu > Settings > Internet Settings > Select "Test" as default connection
5/ Menu > Settings > Bluetooth > powersave > on.

That's all. (just forget BT profile, bridged LAN/PAN and IP setting )

You can now use ur phone's Internet services (BT connection will be activated automatically)

03-04-2007	#1
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	K800 internet using broadband and PAN Hi On Esato I found that user Wakeelm managed to get his K800 connected to his pc using PAN and use his broadband connection this way The difference with the Device explorer method is that this is easier to use and you need no additional software when your bluetooth drivers are not obsolete Here's is his story: First, setup Bluetooth to work with your phone. You should be using Broadcom (formally Widcomm) software rather than microsoft. Broadcom software is supplied with almost every bluetooth dongle and laptops with built in bluetooth. In my case, I'm using IBM laptop T43 and wedcom 5.0.1 that was preloaded. From "my bluetooth places" add your K800i the normal way. You will find one of the services named "PAN Network Access Point". This you can use to access Internet from your laptop through the mobile internet profile defined in the "Bluetooth Internet" setting under Blue tooth. This is the first part where you can access Internet from your PC through your phone. Using this service will create the data account that you will need later to access internet the opposite way; from your phone through your PC. Take a note of the data account created (probably with the name of your computer) that has the bluetooth icon next to it. Now create an internet profile on you phone using the data account created above. Add here the proxy, user id, and password that are required to access the internet from your PC (if any). Make this profile the default internet profile. Don't forget to make the default for Java as well. That's all on the phone side. Now go to your PC and open "My bluetooth places". Choose "My bluetooth services" from the bluetooth tasks" menu. You should see now the bluetooth services the PC is offering. Now open the properties for "My network access" service. Now change the type of service offered to remote devices to "Allow other devices to access the internet/LAN via this computer. Last step. Configure your computer to allow sharing the internet. You can use the MS wizard to create a home/office network or manually from your internet network connection whether it is Lan or Wifi and allow the newly created "Bluetooth Network" connection to share the internet. In addition you also can setup the internet connection sharing from the bluetooth drivers of Widcomm, mine is 5.0.1.2500. Open the bluetooth options by rightclicking the bluetooth symbol in the tray and choose advanced cofiguration. Under the Local services tab you can find Network access, doubleclick this one. Check Startup automaticly. Then on the pulldown menu choose Allow other devices to acces the internet/LAN via this computer. This will prepare the internet sharing settings and should work fine. Then click the Configure connection sharing button and wait untill it's ready. Your LAN connection now has a hand under it showing it's a shared connection. On my K800 there was a problem when I connected PAN, it seems to be configured as server rather then client and I can't change this The problem is that your pc has to be the server because it delivers the internet connection, the other way works when you make a PAN connection from your pc, the phone will then act as a modem for your pc. André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800 Last edited by speedyandre; 03-07-2007 at 12:36 PM.

03-04-2007	#2
ASNNetworks Team Member Lasyk Power Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 366	Well.....how DOES it work then? And by the way, this way you can download stuff too, and update your phone through your phone for free....Cool,,I wonder if anyone has succeeded..... P.S. I have seen this option on my phone a long time ago, but it didn't work then....maybe I'll have to do it differend.... __________________ ASN Networks© Last edited by ASNNetworks; 03-06-2007 at 09:10 AM.

03-07-2007	#3
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	On Esato someone got it working and even the built-in browser of the K800 can use bluetooth now I think that the update service can too and also the RSS reader and blogging should work this way André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800

03-09-2007	#4
ASNNetworks Team Member Lasyk Power Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 366	I've had a bluetooth server too.....It was a few months ago, I was very excited, but it did't work the way I did, so I thougt it was something differend....Good to know it CAN work...I'll try it someday.... __________________ ASN Networks©

03-10-2007	#6
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	I can't try that because of the little problem with PAN I have with my K800 but I suppose it can because it then simply connects to the internet André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800

03-10-2007	#5
Subatomic Registered User Lasyk Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Would it be possible to do FOTA using this method?

03-22-2007	#7
ASNNetworks Team Member Lasyk Power Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 366	Cool... It works... I posted this with my k800...using PAN and broadband P.s. had to share Lan and not the Bluetooth Network.... But it works... __________________ ASN Networks©

03-27-2007	#8
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	Sharing the lan (the broadband source) or bridging the lan and BT should work. On my K800 I can't choose a bluetooth data connection (my pc's) because of the provider lock André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800

04-28-2007	#9
razorous Registered User Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 66	Well if it worked, why cant anybody give a simple instruction on how to do it step by step? __________________ http://razorous.hatesit.com/blog_files/avatar.gif SE K750i http://razorous.tk

04-30-2007	#10
ASNNetworks Team Member Lasyk Power Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 366	Check The First Post! That's The Instruction......open Your Eyes..... __________________ ASN Networks©

07-06-2007	#12
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	Maybe a shorter tutorial makes things easier to do Make a PAN connection from your pc's bluetooth 2.0 software (Widcomm, Toshiba, BlueSoleil) to the phone. Go to the bluetooth settings on the phone and disconnect the existing PAN connection. Now (or after restarting your phone) you should have a new data account with a $ (bluetooth) symbol in front and the name of your pc. Make a new internet profile on your phone and choose this new data account as connection, leave the other fields unchanged. Do the same in the java settings for Opera-mini and other java applets using an internet connection. The email reader has it's own settings, choose the new data account if you want to use bluetooth. When you start the standard browser on the phone it will make a bluetooth connection and you'll see the globe. The RSS reader also works well. On your pc you can open the new PAN network icon in the tray and check the status window, this way you know that you're not using gprs data but bluetooth. One little disadvantage of PAN is that you need to change the settings back to gprs when you're traveling André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800

07-07-2007	#13
tnv Team Member Lasyk Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: london, UK Posts: 618	i don have bluetooth dongle.........can i do it with the usb cable? __________________ WALKMAN Cyber-Shot

07-08-2007	#14
speedyandre Team Member Lasyk Active Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 165	You can connect using the usb cable (connections/USB) but then your pc will use gprs on our phone for internet Only with bluetooth you can use broadband of your pc on the phone. Using SE device explorer and USB I can start Opera-mini from my pc but it doesn't get an internet connection Also other java applets won't connect this way André __________________ http://home.versatel.nl/speedy-andre/eq-full2.gif Internet via broadband tutorial Dutch tutorial updated juli 30 2006 Internet via broadband using PAN for K800

07-09-2007	#15
tnv Team Member Lasyk Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: london, UK Posts: 618	yea i have tried using device explorer and the USB......but it does not work. i think you need a more upgraded version of device explorer to work it with k810i. __________________ WALKMAN Cyber-Shot

07-25-2007	#16
adnane Registered User Lasyk Friend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Casablanca, Morocco Posts: 23	Yes !!!! It works with my W850i too (after some experimenting) tnx Andre . (Features tested: build-in navigator, Track-Id (very impressive btw)), Blogging, email Client (tried Gmail access via pop3), RSS reader All OK !) ps: I have a prepaid Sim-card without any kind of data subscription (3G will be available only in Dec2007) so this is the first time I can Use Internet from my w850i. If Anyone need it, I'll try to post a detailed Step by step (maybe in an other Thread dedicated to w850 ?!! ) Last edited by adnane; 07-25-2007 at 03:12 AM.

07-25-2007	#17
Pedrops Registered User Lasyk Friend Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21	@ Speedyandre I can't choose BT Profile too... but there's no provider lock You mean that I have to access the internet the normal way [from phone to pc] once to get this profile? To do this, I have to start the PAN service on my PC, and in the k800 >>settings >> connectivity >> Bluetooth >> Bluetooth Internet >> and here select my provider's profile? And than what? Access the net with the browser? Or its supposed to connect when I start the PAN service? I mean, what do I have to do in order to use the service to create the profile? In the Blusoleil software there's an option >> My Bluetooth >> Device Properties >> Device Type {desktop // laptop // server} is there any difference anyway? I can see there in blusoleil >> status when I start PAN my phone's role goes to MASTER Is there something to do? I'm breaking my head trying this PAN thing =( please help! P.S. Do I have to set up IP in bluetooth adapter? Share LAN?